They are the two familiar faces you will have seen at any Group 3 rugby league venue around the Mid North Coast wherever Port City Breakers are playing.
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And Peter Hesse and Dudley Millard are the first to admit they are lucky to have such understanding families.
Mr Hesse has been involved with the Breakers for the last two decades as club recorder which means anything that happens on or off the field ... he knows about it.
But the flip side of that is the angst that sometimes accompanies keeping such a close eye on the club's financial status.
If he says "this is the budget", there are no questions asked.
"You can lose sleep over the finances particularly with players who think it's a bottomless pit, but it's always a balance," he said.
Together with his "good cop, bad cop" counterpart - who is also the vice-president of anything fundraising-related - the duo have ensured the Breakers currently are in a strong financial position.
Put simply, the duo form the backbone of the Breakers.
Just how long they remain involved remains to be seen, but they're quick to point out they're enjoying every minute of it.
They do it for the love of the game.
"We're the sort of blokes that when you get involved with something you stick with it," Mr Hesse said.
"The club is in a good place in terms of its reputation within the group. I think it's well thought of and we're proud that it's got to that stage and we've helped to get it there.
"Sometimes you have a change of committee and new people come in and the whole thing falls over. We don't want that to happen to our club. We put a lot of time into it and we're proud of where the club sits. You can't buy pride."
Sometimes you have a change of committee and new people come in and the whole thing falls over. We don't want that to happen to our club.
- Peter Hesse
Mr Millard's car is often jam-packed with anything a player could want.
"You go to an away game and you think you can watch a bit of football, but the back of Dud's car has players' drinks, ice, water bottles and three sets of jumpers plus spare playing gear," Mr Hesse said.
"Someone always forgets a pair of socks or a pair of shorts, but you do get to see a bit of footy.
"You think at some stage we won't be here, but it'll probably be at a stage when we're in a box and six feet under because we still enjoy it."
Since 2003 they have helped form the club and to get it to the position it's in now, but it hasn't always been smooth sailing.
"There was a coup that was going to come in 2007 and they were going to take over the club and we were going to back the coup, but it never happened," Hesse said.
"We're still here because you know deep down if you walk away - which some people will do after three or four years of service - the club falls over.
"I've seen it happen before."
Millard was the former president at Camden Haven Rugby League Football Club before he jumped ship and has been with the Breakers ever since.
"I love the joint and I think we're as strong as any club within the group to be quite honest," he said.
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